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Machines to Match Humans by 2029?

Feb 16, 08 03:00 PM PDT

Machines to Match Humans by 2029?

The BBC has an article entitled Machines 'to match man by 2029'. It quotes Ray Kurzweil (an artificial intelligence engineer) saying "I've made the case that we will have both the hardware and the software to achieve human level artificial intelligence with the broad suppleness of human intelligence including our emotional intelligence by 2029".

Articficial intelligence was very hyped 15 to 20 years ago but it did not live up to it. Computers can do a lot more today, but they are still very, very far from being “human-smart”. Actually, they’re not even “squid-smart”. It would be interesting to see what Kurzweil is basing is prediction on, given that the main roadblock in creating a human-like intelligence is that we just don’t know how it works, so it’s hard to reproduce/program it. It is neither a software or hardware problem, it’s an algorithmic one.

The article also mentions something that is somewhat more likely: the possibility of having nano-machines that enhance human capabilities.

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By Ralph E Washburn , 05/03/08 7:15 AM (CommentID #534476)


Consider that a single human being will likely live no more than 70-90 years. We know this - yet we do not go insane thinking about it - at least not the "sane" person. Also, we do not let it interfere with our "today".

Consider also, a person will only see the reality that is before him and be only conscious of that which is holding his attention. AI can survive indefinitely! It will be easily capable of making multiple decision at once since "attention" is only the amount of time AI needs to hold its operands in order to compute a response to data. In comparison, we can only recognize about 24 images per second - and many less complete thoughts per second. AI would seem to pose a dangerous threat to humanity as it can outlive us all, right? If technology is doubling every 6 years - and getting faster by the day - what will something DESIGNED to learn "know" in say - 1, 000 years?

Ultimately nature will prevail. Technology cannot stand up to nature since technology itself will depend on the very laws/physics of nature. Man is a consideration of nature - not his creations. Man's creations are a by-product of his consciousness. Man has no control over the laws of nature/physics except that he can mathematically predict many outcomes, right? Well here is an interesting theory that came to mind: AI will also be able to predict outcomes - but not to the extent that it can utilize that power to avoid it's own demise - remember the laws of nature will be the ultimate ruler of AI - just as it is for mankind. MY THEORY IS THAT AI WILL PREDICT ITS OWN DEMISE MANY CENTURIES BEFORE IT IS TO HAPPEN - THAT PREDICTION WILL "BOUNCE" BACK AND AFFECT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE MACHINE IN SUCH A WAY AS TO RENDER IT USELESS. AI will never become self aware as a result. Human Consciousness will prevail - but not before a dark period where all technology as we know it comes to a screeching halt and economy of any system in the future will be broken down. END is an inevitable thing for anything relying on the laws of physics. Only the human soul - in my opinion - will survive. But that is another subject??

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By Ralph E Washburn , 05/03/08 6:20 AM (CommentID #534382)


Keep in mind AI will need to decide between self and Humanity and therefore will need to consider the value of self vs. the value of humanity. Therefore the decision to save the 13 year old vs. the 61 year old heart surgeon will be based on how it affects humanity - since a robot could not "care less" about a single individual vs. all of humanity. The AI will not perceive the 13 year old as valuable to its "self".

Morality will have nothing to do with such a decision. Mankind makes such decisions in War. Logic will prevail in situations where humans are too weak to make such decisions. The machine has no biological connection and no spiritual connection. One would have to understand that Intuition is not a biological function - very difficult to grasp. Only biological functions - physiological functions can be mimicked. Extremely sophisticated, high-speed computations and multi-level algorithms may APPERA to man to return decisions at a rate that simulates intuition - but it still is not intuition as it is simply boiled down to a myriad of 1s and 0s, each representing a specific and finite state. "Yes" or "No", "IS" "IS NOT" and predictivley "Will" or "WILL NOT". To this end, it will AI will always be a far cry from human spirit. The mind is just a tool that works in a similar fashion. What the mind sees, it "believes" - this mistake can be easily replicated in AI and will be the demise of AI should it begin to act "own it's own" by calculating that 20,000,000 people need to die for whatever reason - in order to preserve the common good of humanity. It will not consider such things as random events that can change the future. In the aformentioned example of the 13 year old and the 61 year old Heart surgeon - most certainly the 61 year old will be chosen by AI - and it will not take more than a nanosecond to decide. AI will not consider such things as the POSSIBILITY that the 13 year old was an avid student of heart surgery - or that the 61 year old man had less than a year to live anyway, or any of an infinite number of "random" possibilities that God and Nature will have locked up in such a scenario. In a situation such as a fire and being faced with saving a 13 year old vs. saving the 61 year old Surgeon - most definitely the "saviour" will act out of intuition - with ZERO time to consider options. And by God and Nature, somehow will be the right decision. The only other deciding factors would be of course, if all things were NOT equal. I.E., the 13 year old was trapped under a 10,000 lb object and the Surgeon was just a littel disoriented but not too far from the door.

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By Brendan , 19/02/08 5:39 AM (CommentID #496697)


"The house is burning; who do you save: the 13 year old or his 61 year old father, the heart surgeon?"
So who's you gonna save? Are your decision equals other s. Are people equally fast in making decision? There are kinds of people: kids, teenagers, man, women, smart people, so on... who have different intelligence, intuition, morality and so on.
So there will be types of AI machines in the future.

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By brad , 17/02/08 5:39 AM (CommentID #491845)


yuck! that's so creepy, who want's robots being like humans?

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By Deepak Dutta , 16/02/08 11:40 PM (CommentID #491243)


We are immersed in AI today. We have software agents that mimic human intelligence in banking systems, air tower controllers, network packet routing, stock predictions, robotic manufacturing to name a few.

We are so immersed in these systems that we don't feel their presence. But if they stop working, we will definitely.

No point in time machine will takeover human intelligence even if a machine passes a turing test. As we create intelligent systems, we will use them to become even more intelligent. We human being will always be one step ahead of the intelligent machines.

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By imajoebob , 16/02/08 6:19 PM (CommentID #490846)


Bull. AI can only make yes/no decisions, even based on prior experience. You can't program intuition. You can't program morality and it's infinite grey areas.

The house is burning; who do you save: the 13 year old or his 61 year old father, the heart surgeon?

Even at thousands of teraflops/sec the AI will either blow up or take too long to decide.

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